Trump says he's moving his Venezuelan cartel fight from sea to land. What does that mean?

By Mary Louise Kelly,

Ryan Lucas, Tom Bowman

Published October 16, 2025 at 2:52 PM CDT

NPR's Mary Louise Kelly talks to Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman and Justice correspondent Ryan Lucas about another deadly U.S. strike on an alleged drug boat off the coast of Venezuela.

Mary Louise Kelly

Mary Louise Kelly is a co-host of All Things Considered, NPR's award-winning afternoon newsmagazine.

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Ryan Lucas

Ryan Lucas covers the Justice Department for NPR.

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Tom Bowman

Tom Bowman is a NPR National Desk reporter covering the Pentagon.

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