AILSA CHANG, HOST:
Each week, a guest draws a card from NPR's Wild Card deck and answers a big question about their life. Anne Lamott says that she felt drawn to writing almost like it was a call to become a monk. She's also felt called to teach others how to write and to help them organize their thoughts on the page. Her newest book, which she co-wrote with her husband Neal Allen, is called "Good Writing: 36 Ways To Improve Your Sentences."
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ANNE LAMOTT: I want to teach people that the writing is where the action is - the writing, the collaborating, the writer life of reading, of studying, of sitting at the feet of the masters, of - you know, it's wonderful to get published, too. I mean, but it's not what you're looking for.
CHANG: Lamott spoke with Wild Card host Rachel Martin about what it means to be human.
RACHEL MARTIN: What's something you thought about yourself that you had to unlearn?
LAMOTT: I had to unlearn - I mean, my parents taught me great values. They were civil rights activists. We were marching for, you know, just all the great good causes. And they taught me to read. I was reading very early. They gave me the value of literature and libraries, you know, the greatest American institution besides the Constitution. And - but I had to learn everything - almost everything they taught me - 'cause it was the '50s, and they taught me that girls look a certain way. Well, I was never going to look like the other girls. I had this really crazy, wiry hair. And it grew up and sideways. It didn't grow down. And I was - I got bullied, and the bullying gave me my sense of humor because I discovered that if a boy with other boys had a drive-by insult on a bike and I thought of something to throw at him, the other boys would laugh at him, and I would be a little bit better.
And - but so what I had to unlearn was that what other people thought of me was who I was or had anything to do with who I was. And I had to learn just from the bottom up that I was not what men thought of me or East Coast literary men, and - or I was not what the really cool teenage boys or girls thought of me, that I was this precious, hilarious, wise girl and then woman who was kind and generous and kind of a mess like we all are. Like, if there's...
MARTIN: Yeah.
LAMOTT: If there isn't something wrong with you, I'm not interested...
MARTIN: Right (laughter).
LAMOTT: ...You know? If there isn't something wrong with you, we're seriously going to have almost nothing to talk about at dinner. So maybe sit somewhere else. So - and I had to learn that that was what it meant to be human...
MARTIN: Yeah.
LAMOTT: ...Was to be real...
MARTIN: Yeah.
LAMOTT: ...And to be vulnerable...
MARTIN: Yeah.
LAMOTT: ...And to be who you actually were...
MARTIN: Yeah.
LAMOTT: ...Instead of who you always agreed to be because you got good grades.
MARTIN: For sure.
LAMOTT: I love that old Anais Nin quote, and I'll probably get it wrong, but something about staying in bud...
MARTIN: Oh, my gosh. Oh, God. Sorry, now I need to find it 'cause I want to read it out loud.
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MARTIN: OK, let's read it.
LAMOTT: It's like, there came a day when - I don't know.
MARTIN: (Reading) And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom.
LAMOTT: Yeah.
MARTIN: That's lovely.
CHANG: And you can watch the full conversation with Anne Lamott on YouTube by searching for @NPRWildCard. Her new book, "Good Writing," is out now.
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